paul ryan, whose budget is famous, would slash social spending, has been talking about poverty a lot. he is catholic, i believe. he would probably say, though, there is nothing inconsistent with what he's talking about. just he has specific means to deliver it that most -- >> right, but again, the length, thou language the pope used is so specific, not just a conceptual i'm against poverty, we should all fight poverty. he was very specific. >> there is a way he wants to fight poverty that is different than rand paul's way. >> here is the point, though. you know, rush limbaugh has a consistent -- has a constituency, and so does rand paul and all these different people. so what? they're entitled to that point of view, liberal or conservative, libertarian. what catholics are finding appealing about pope francis is he's making a message to them that is consistent with their values that they want to come home to, which they walked away from for a while in the past. they're coming home. it has nothing to do with polls. it has nothing to do with politics. it has nothing to do with parties. i